SATAN SAYS (Photo credit: rafaelm)
I’ve fallen behind on my reading of all the posts I follow, and my inbox proudly boasts 2889 new emails. At some point, I’m going to have to acknowledge defeat.
Chef and I spent all day yesterday, and all night, travelling and visiting with friends. We arrived home this morning at 7 am and we’re happily tired. A quick blog check mocked me with pages of comments to be read, approved, and replied to… While I’m overcome by awe that there are so many people talking to me, I’m overwhelmed by the sheer numbers. So, I thought I’d let you guys know that I’m working my way through them…Please be patient.
I have some ideas rolling around in my head about stuff to write, but I am not going to get all heavy today. Nor am I in the mood to describe the near-death armadillo motorcycle story from last night either. Instead, I’d share some excerpts from one of the many conversations I’m engaged in right now.
And, it’ll prove that I can indeed have a civil conversation without flipping out this week, I’m posting the following from here. Plus, he makes some pretty common arguments which I think we all should know how to answer, especially, it seems, in Blogospere..
The article is http://wordsformwindows.com/2012/04/20/you-can-marry-your-cousin-but-not-your-boyfriend/ and it is about homosexuality…mainly a “For” vote to my “Against” vote.
Me: I’m in complete agreement with rowangirl. A person is not defined by their sin…they are a person struggling with a sin, just like everyone else. In my opinion, science has proved nothing to support gay copulation. It produces no life, which is scientifically what sex was designed for. Thank you for inviting our opinions and providing a civil atmosphere to discuss this topic.
Writer: Is it truly a sin if they had no say in the matter? Like an earlier comment stated, a gay person is no more in control of their sexuality than a person is with the colour of their skin. It is often said that God created us in his image. I’d love a quote from the Bible that says being gay is wrong.
Also as a comment stated (think it may have been the same one) the Bible is thousands of years old, how do people still think it applies today in the exact way it was created, as the planet matures and as a race we grow surely must peoples morals.
Me: You pose very good questions, Daniel. However, I have learned that these arguments go round and round but never answer anyone to their satisfaction. I don’t find that science has proved that there is no God, or that people are born gay. You don’t accept that the bible is true…So, we’re at an impasse. The bible says in many places homosexuality is a sin. It also says that without being saved, the words in the bible are foolishness to man. See? There is no winning the battle without someone having an open mind. I won’t..I believe in God 100% and His Word..and you won’t either…the book is foolishness to you. It is that same book that tells Christians not to be running around judging people…and that includes homosexuals. If science is all we’re looking for here, than maybe a repulsion to homosexuality is an instinct…I don’t say that to agree with it, but science is just too random to be used as proof in all this.
Here is another one:
Jeffsong: I would be remiss if I didn’t comment to this. I wasn’t healed until I embraced Satan as one of God’s children and came to Love him as well. One of the Lord’s fallen angels – much like we are. He doesn’t bother us much any more (Satan, that is) because he has become one of ‘our brothers’. Took that to end the war in me.
Me: I’m going to respectfully disagree with your position. First, people are not fallen angels. We are humans
, and we are not going to die and go to heaven as angels. Second, I hate satan. I hate everything satan does. I hate everything that satan tries to destroy and everything he represents. Most importantly, Satan is waging this entire war against Jesus
, who I love. I would never insult my friend by embracing his enemy. Satan is anti-Christian
and anti-human. He hates you and he hates me. You can’t “love” or “embrace” him back into the family…My guess is that he leaves you alone because you are actually being tricked, by him, into a position that renders you ineffective to the kingdom of God. Why bother harassing someone when they aren’t dangerous at all? Or even worse, actually working for the enemy to further the enemy agenda? Sorry. Just can’t embrace this reasoning at all…
effsong: But you see – I forgive him all that. Everything. I have no hatred towards him at all, though I used to — which lead to a lot of self-hate, doubt, etc. All man’s evils. It wasn’t until I figured it all out that I could actually be at peace with myself – and him and God. Everything. I have no hatred towards him at all, though I used to — which lead to a lot of self-hate, doubt, etc. All man’s evils. It wasn’t until I figured it all out that I could actually be at peace with myself – and him and God. And (wry smile) – if you want to believe, just look up my references about my trip to Puerto Rico. I had a really strange experience there last year; sorta kidnapped, held captive; lost 35 pounds in 14 days; walked 3 days . . . lots of things. And it was the happiest week of my life – I met God, talked to Him; he showed me a lot of things. Jesus Christ is just one of them.
The truth is: we are all God’s children – and more. There is a truth out there that . . . well, you’ll see. I’m not into pushing my beliefs at all; not if you don’t want to hear them – and I feel if you are comfortable in your belief and system – are happy with joy – that’s good. I don’t want to disturb that. But anger is not happiness at all; neither is hate. Those are the wrong kinds of emotions to feel – even towards someone as bad as Satan. I feel only pity and sympathy for him; I have seen his side. But he’s okay with me and I with him – and he doesn’t bother tempting me anymore. Doesn’t do any good.
You know that old Christian saying? “Hate the sin, not the Sinner”. Well, ditto the same thing towards Satan. That’s not to say I don’t get angry about – well, a lot. But a lot of what I get angry about is human stupidity; not something Satan is doing. People have a choice – and it’s up to them to make it. Deep in their hearts they know right from wrong – and if some of them pay some kind of penalty in the end? (shrug) Well, I don’t believe in an eternal hell, either; I don’t believe God is that way – I’m thinking He’s a lot wiser than that. He’s just gonna keep Teaching us some lessons – until we finally learn. Get your lessons down right and maybe you got a chance to go on to “heaven”; otherwise you’re just doomed to keep repeating them until you get ‘em down. But I think God loves his children – every one of us, all life forms – way too much to do that.
‘inside’ . . . and you can see God. He’s a lot like us (in my opinion) and free will was given just to see what we’d do with it. I don’t think he “knows everything” – not about people. It’s his form of entertainment to kinda keep things interesting. After all: everything else is predictable; at least the mathematics are. Billard balls all bounce the same. However, this “free choice” thing – kinda adds a dice in the equation, don’t you think? “He” (our living God) . . . well, he’s got a wry sense of humor, I think – making us make the decision ourselves – and sometimes between ‘two wrongs’ (which way will you go?) . . .
I do know this: my “God” is not some static god who stands like a frozen statue in the universe. He’s a dynamic humorous being full of love, humor, and ‘being good’ – but he gives ‘us’ the choice – and the Devil is just there to tempt us. The rest? Nature and things. Physics, and what ‘we’ve’ done to the planet. Just a natural course, written in the rocks and stones much as the dinosaurs are.Love and forgiveness is what it’s all about I seem to recall someone saying – maybe it was Jesus Christ? Or was it God? Never mind; they are both one and the same and ‘my’ religion leaves me feeling good all over (truly and physically right here – a nice and tingly feeling thinking about it) – and is like a brightly singing light inside.
On this last one, I have not answered yet because I haven’t had enough time to really go over the comment and give it the attention it deserves..
So, anyways, hope everyone has a good weekend!!